Sunday, March 22, 2009

A Christians questions 3

So the Christian did not like the fact that I had used logic to explain that the Trinity was illogical but I said that I should prove my points using the Bible and some Historical sources.

Jesus (upon him peace) said, "Do not think that I came to destroy the law or the Prophets. I did not come to destory but to fulfill." Mathew 5:17-18

You already know that I am going to refute Christanity so why are you suprised?

The whole problem with modern Christan faith is that it's is based on blind faith. Which can easily be disproved without logic so now lets disprove Christanity without logic and proofs from the Bible.

The Christan belief negates the first two commandments that all the prophets lived and died upon. This is also the belief of Jesus:

Mathew 4, 10, "Then Jesus said to him... Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God , and him alone shalt thou serve."

So this proves that there is one God and no sons him alone shall you serve.
Mathew 19, 18, "keep the commandments."

“If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17, also see Mark 10:19).

He also said that Jesus is the servant of that God, for we read in Acts:

“The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.” (Acts 3:13).

This confirms his belief in what came before and what will be so anyone believing in the Trinity is believing something other that what Jesus himself believed. And the verse we began with proves without a shadow of a doubt that Jesus (upon him peace) believed in the commandments that modern Christans do not.

Historical facts:

Jesus (upon him peace) was called king of the Jews(Mathew 23.38), Mark 16, 26. Why? If was living differently then he would've called something else. This also proves he had the same beliefs of them. Now compare this to the pauls version which has no place for the law.

From Mark of the beast by Tim Wallace murphy and Ravenscroft page 79. "Paul joined the ebionite community in Jerusalam to learn the true way of Jesus"

Then "It is clear that there was a fundemental difference between the way as interpreted by James and the Edionties on one hand, and that preached by paul on the other." Tim wallace murphy - What Islam did for us page 59

Also aruis rejected and refused the pagan interpretations of paul.
The Trinity is not a teaching of Jesus or of the early Christians. As noted previously, it is “a teaching of the church.” In its 1999 issue on the Trinity, The Living Pulpit observed: “Sometimes, it seems that everyone assumes that the doctrine of the trinity is standard Christian theological fare,” but it added that it is not “a biblical idea.”

The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967) discusses the Trinity at length and admits: “The Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th-century invention. . . . The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.”

The Bible tells of many gods and goddesses that people worshiped, including Ashtoreth, Milcom, Chemosh, and Molech. (1 Kings 11:1, 2, 5, 7) Even many people in the ancient nation of Israel once believed that Baal was the true God. So Jehovah’s prophet Elijah presented the challenge: “If Jehovah is the true God, go following him; but if Baal is, go following him.”—1 Kings 18:21.

The worship of pagan gods grouped in threes, or triads, was also common before Jesus was born. “From Egypt came the ideas of a divine trinity,” observed historian Will Durant. In the Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, James Hastings wrote: “In Indian religion, e.g., we meet with the trinitarian group of Brahmā, Siva, and Viṣṇu; and in Egyptian religion with the trinitarian group of Osiris, Isis, and Horus.”

So I have proved my point with logic but now with proof from the Bible and history, so for much longer will you deny these points?

The religion of Christanity was made up from different parts of paganism and this has nothing to with the religion of Jesus (upon him peace). As Jesus and all the Prophets had the same belief.

If you want to debate with me then you are welcome but know I am quite skilled in this field. The Last Christan three christans who debated with me are now studying Islam to find out the Truth.