Dr Jerald Dirks
Showing posts with label Jesus (upon him peace) lived like a Jew and refuted the Trinity. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Jesus (upon him peace) lived like a Jew and refuted the Trinity. Show all posts
Thursday, August 20, 2009
Sunday, March 22, 2009
A Christians questions 3
So the Christian did not like the fact that I had used logic to explain that the Trinity was illogical but I said that I should prove my points using the Bible and some Historical sources.
Jesus (upon him peace) said, "Do not think that I came to destroy the law or the Prophets. I did not come to destory but to fulfill." Mathew 5:17-18
You already know that I am going to refute Christanity so why are you suprised?
The whole problem with modern Christan faith is that it's is based on blind faith. Which can easily be disproved without logic so now lets disprove Christanity without logic and proofs from the Bible.
The Christan belief negates the first two commandments that all the prophets lived and died upon. This is also the belief of Jesus:
Mathew 4, 10, "Then Jesus said to him... Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God , and him alone shalt thou serve."
So this proves that there is one God and no sons him alone shall you serve.
Mathew 19, 18, "keep the commandments."
“If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17, also see Mark 10:19).
He also said that Jesus is the servant of that God, for we read in Acts:
“The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.” (Acts 3:13).
This confirms his belief in what came before and what will be so anyone believing in the Trinity is believing something other that what Jesus himself believed. And the verse we began with proves without a shadow of a doubt that Jesus (upon him peace) believed in the commandments that modern Christans do not.
Historical facts:
Jesus (upon him peace) was called king of the Jews(Mathew 23.38), Mark 16, 26. Why? If was living differently then he would've called something else. This also proves he had the same beliefs of them. Now compare this to the pauls version which has no place for the law.
From Mark of the beast by Tim Wallace murphy and Ravenscroft page 79. "Paul joined the ebionite community in Jerusalam to learn the true way of Jesus"
Then "It is clear that there was a fundemental difference between the way as interpreted by James and the Edionties on one hand, and that preached by paul on the other." Tim wallace murphy - What Islam did for us page 59
Also aruis rejected and refused the pagan interpretations of paul.
The Trinity is not a teaching of Jesus or of the early Christians. As noted previously, it is “a teaching of the church.” In its 1999 issue on the Trinity, The Living Pulpit observed: “Sometimes, it seems that everyone assumes that the doctrine of the trinity is standard Christian theological fare,” but it added that it is not “a biblical idea.”
The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967) discusses the Trinity at length and admits: “The Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th-century invention. . . . The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.”
The Bible tells of many gods and goddesses that people worshiped, including Ashtoreth, Milcom, Chemosh, and Molech. (1 Kings 11:1, 2, 5, 7) Even many people in the ancient nation of Israel once believed that Baal was the true God. So Jehovah’s prophet Elijah presented the challenge: “If Jehovah is the true God, go following him; but if Baal is, go following him.”—1 Kings 18:21.
The worship of pagan gods grouped in threes, or triads, was also common before Jesus was born. “From Egypt came the ideas of a divine trinity,” observed historian Will Durant. In the Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, James Hastings wrote: “In Indian religion, e.g., we meet with the trinitarian group of Brahmā, Siva, and Viṣṇu; and in Egyptian religion with the trinitarian group of Osiris, Isis, and Horus.”
So I have proved my point with logic but now with proof from the Bible and history, so for much longer will you deny these points?
The religion of Christanity was made up from different parts of paganism and this has nothing to with the religion of Jesus (upon him peace). As Jesus and all the Prophets had the same belief.
If you want to debate with me then you are welcome but know I am quite skilled in this field. The Last Christan three christans who debated with me are now studying Islam to find out the Truth.
Jesus (upon him peace) said, "Do not think that I came to destroy the law or the Prophets. I did not come to destory but to fulfill." Mathew 5:17-18
You already know that I am going to refute Christanity so why are you suprised?
The whole problem with modern Christan faith is that it's is based on blind faith. Which can easily be disproved without logic so now lets disprove Christanity without logic and proofs from the Bible.
The Christan belief negates the first two commandments that all the prophets lived and died upon. This is also the belief of Jesus:
Mathew 4, 10, "Then Jesus said to him... Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God , and him alone shalt thou serve."
So this proves that there is one God and no sons him alone shall you serve.
Mathew 19, 18, "keep the commandments."
“If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17, also see Mark 10:19).
He also said that Jesus is the servant of that God, for we read in Acts:
“The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.” (Acts 3:13).
This confirms his belief in what came before and what will be so anyone believing in the Trinity is believing something other that what Jesus himself believed. And the verse we began with proves without a shadow of a doubt that Jesus (upon him peace) believed in the commandments that modern Christans do not.
Historical facts:
Jesus (upon him peace) was called king of the Jews(Mathew 23.38), Mark 16, 26. Why? If was living differently then he would've called something else. This also proves he had the same beliefs of them. Now compare this to the pauls version which has no place for the law.
From Mark of the beast by Tim Wallace murphy and Ravenscroft page 79. "Paul joined the ebionite community in Jerusalam to learn the true way of Jesus"
Then "It is clear that there was a fundemental difference between the way as interpreted by James and the Edionties on one hand, and that preached by paul on the other." Tim wallace murphy - What Islam did for us page 59
Also aruis rejected and refused the pagan interpretations of paul.
The Trinity is not a teaching of Jesus or of the early Christians. As noted previously, it is “a teaching of the church.” In its 1999 issue on the Trinity, The Living Pulpit observed: “Sometimes, it seems that everyone assumes that the doctrine of the trinity is standard Christian theological fare,” but it added that it is not “a biblical idea.”
The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967) discusses the Trinity at length and admits: “The Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th-century invention. . . . The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.”
The Bible tells of many gods and goddesses that people worshiped, including Ashtoreth, Milcom, Chemosh, and Molech. (1 Kings 11:1, 2, 5, 7) Even many people in the ancient nation of Israel once believed that Baal was the true God. So Jehovah’s prophet Elijah presented the challenge: “If Jehovah is the true God, go following him; but if Baal is, go following him.”—1 Kings 18:21.
The worship of pagan gods grouped in threes, or triads, was also common before Jesus was born. “From Egypt came the ideas of a divine trinity,” observed historian Will Durant. In the Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, James Hastings wrote: “In Indian religion, e.g., we meet with the trinitarian group of Brahmā, Siva, and Viṣṇu; and in Egyptian religion with the trinitarian group of Osiris, Isis, and Horus.”
So I have proved my point with logic but now with proof from the Bible and history, so for much longer will you deny these points?
The religion of Christanity was made up from different parts of paganism and this has nothing to with the religion of Jesus (upon him peace). As Jesus and all the Prophets had the same belief.
If you want to debate with me then you are welcome but know I am quite skilled in this field. The Last Christan three christans who debated with me are now studying Islam to find out the Truth.
Thursday, March 05, 2009
Sunday, May 04, 2008
Jesus (upon him peace) lived like a Jew and refuted the Trinity
Jesus (upon him peace) was called king of the Jews(Mathew 23.38), Mark 16, 26. Why? If was living differently then he would've called something else. This also proves he had the same beliefs of them. Now compare this to the pauls version which has no place for the law.
He was living like a Jew, so this confirms what came before. It was Paul who changed Christianity to what it is today, after the forcing of the trinity onto the people by the roman emperor Constantine.
Jesus (upon him peace) spoke in Aramaic and he said, "Peace be onto you." Mathew 24.36. Peace means salam in Arabic and to you means alikum.
So what was he saying? Salam alikum, the Muslim greeting the same greeting that Adam (upon him peace) gave then angels.
Consider this, If you loved someone for what they don't have then you find out he doesn't have that thing does that mean your love is lost? Yes of course you love him for what he does not have so what do you think he thinks of you?
So the muslim have more right to Jesus (upon him peace) that the Christans because love him for who he is.
And to rebut your first line:
Mathew 4, 10, "Then Jesus said to him... Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God , and him alone shalt thou serve."
So this proves that there is one God and no sons him alone shall you serve.
Mathew 19, 18, "keep the commandments."
“If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17, also see Mark 10:19).
He also said that Jesus is the servant of that God, for we read in Acts: “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.” (Acts 3:13). This confirms his belief in what came before and what will be so anyone believing in the Trinity is believing something other that what Jesus himself believed.
Mark 16.34 Jesus cried in a loud voice, "E-loI, E-loI La ma sa-bach'tha-ni" Which is, "My God, My God why have you forsaken me!"
If he was part of the same being then why would he call out like he was calling to someone other than himself. Answer they are not the same. Also E-LoI means my god if you take out my then it means God from the same word Allah.
You also claim he turned a river into wine, why would he when he said, "I will not drink henceforth from this wine, until that day when I drink it new with you." Mathew 26.29 He means here that he will drink it only when he is in paradise not whilst on earth.
Jesus said, "The father is greater than I." John 14.28. This negates similarity - so they are not the same - So Jesus cannot be divine because they are not the same.
Luke 16.13. "No servant can serve two masters for either he will hate the one , and love the other; or else he will hold to the one and despise the other. Ye cannot God and Mammon." This again proves that there are no godlike being because this would mean that you would become confused.
Why would a prophet commit a sin for? Muslims believe that Jesus is sinless and you believe him to be sinful. This is another reason why the muslim belief is sound and safe.
He was living like a Jew, so this confirms what came before. It was Paul who changed Christianity to what it is today, after the forcing of the trinity onto the people by the roman emperor Constantine.
Jesus (upon him peace) spoke in Aramaic and he said, "Peace be onto you." Mathew 24.36. Peace means salam in Arabic and to you means alikum.
So what was he saying? Salam alikum, the Muslim greeting the same greeting that Adam (upon him peace) gave then angels.
Consider this, If you loved someone for what they don't have then you find out he doesn't have that thing does that mean your love is lost? Yes of course you love him for what he does not have so what do you think he thinks of you?
So the muslim have more right to Jesus (upon him peace) that the Christans because love him for who he is.
And to rebut your first line:
Mathew 4, 10, "Then Jesus said to him... Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God , and him alone shalt thou serve."
So this proves that there is one God and no sons him alone shall you serve.
Mathew 19, 18, "keep the commandments."
“If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17, also see Mark 10:19).
He also said that Jesus is the servant of that God, for we read in Acts: “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.” (Acts 3:13). This confirms his belief in what came before and what will be so anyone believing in the Trinity is believing something other that what Jesus himself believed.
Mark 16.34 Jesus cried in a loud voice, "E-loI, E-loI La ma sa-bach'tha-ni" Which is, "My God, My God why have you forsaken me!"
If he was part of the same being then why would he call out like he was calling to someone other than himself. Answer they are not the same. Also E-LoI means my god if you take out my then it means God from the same word Allah.
You also claim he turned a river into wine, why would he when he said, "I will not drink henceforth from this wine, until that day when I drink it new with you." Mathew 26.29 He means here that he will drink it only when he is in paradise not whilst on earth.
Jesus said, "The father is greater than I." John 14.28. This negates similarity - so they are not the same - So Jesus cannot be divine because they are not the same.
Luke 16.13. "No servant can serve two masters for either he will hate the one , and love the other; or else he will hold to the one and despise the other. Ye cannot God and Mammon." This again proves that there are no godlike being because this would mean that you would become confused.
Why would a prophet commit a sin for? Muslims believe that Jesus is sinless and you believe him to be sinful. This is another reason why the muslim belief is sound and safe.
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