Wednesday, December 05, 2007

An Islamic perspective of the Christan Trinity?

An Islamic perspective of the Christan Trinity

This is not a personal attack. This is an attempt to make you understand the Muslim point of view and why we have a problem with the trinity.

Please do not be upset by this.

You see I believe in Jesus as a Prophet akin to the ebonites who were massacred in early Christianity. They did not believe in the Trinity which was something that wasn't accepted as a doctrine until after the 4th century at the behest of the roman empire.

The original message of Jesus has been changed because all the Prophets called to the worship of one GOD. Likewise did Jesus who is like all the prophets (upon them all peace).

So did Jesus worship himself?

And if you believe that God can have a child and that God needs something to create something. Then how can what you believe to be God be all powerful? If he needed Mary to create something?

Do you see how none of the Christan doctrine makes any rational sense?

What the first commandment? "I am your Lord."

Second commandment, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

Third commandment? "Thou shalt not make for thyself an idol"

So if you believe all this that came with all the previous Prophets before Jesus. Does that mean that they won't enter heaven? how can that be?

So if you believe all this that came with all the previous Prophets before Jesus. Does that mean that they won't enter heaven because they don't believe in the Trinity?

Or is it easier to believe that Christianity was changed by the enemies of God to add this.

Think about it. What I have said makes sense!

Most of the answers here are rejecting the view of the rest of the Prophets that God is one and there is nothing similar to him. Therefore you have rejected the first three commandments. Don't you see how dangerous that is?

You can you believe in the Bible that you have now? When its been chopped and changed over the years and the oldest manuscipt isn't until the first century? At the nicean creed there was 200 books of the bible where are they now?

Ebounites were the true Christan's and they believed in One God and Jesus (upon him peace) as a Prophet.

If you read history then you see Paul hated the Brother of Jesus, James.
Many Christan's of the day said Paul was a heretic and James the true inheritor. Paul was protected by the Romans because he was mixing paganism with Judaism which is what they now call Christianity.

1. I am the Lord thy God

2. Thou shalt have no other gods before me
3. Thou shalt not make for thyself an idol

In the bible Jesus speaks to God if there we part of the same being would one part need to talk to the other part?

This is sound logic and something that a Muslim could say to a Christan. Muslims believe that divinity is only for God and hes not give it anything, nor is it possible because God attributes are uncreated.

Yet if you believe the Christan ideology, then you cannot accept that God is all powerful if he needs something, anything. Then you get into circular reasoning if you say that god can give birth then surely then god was given birth to, right?

So you see that innocent question can only take you one logical conclusion and that is not present in Christan trinity.

It is however present in Islamic theology we believe that GOD was not given birth to nor does he give birth nor is like his creation. So you must at least consider Islamic theology because here we make rational sense.

Where did this complex Trinity teaching originate? The Christian Century, in its May 20-27, 1998, issue, quotes a pastor who acknowledges that the Trinity is “a teaching of the church rather than a teaching of Jesus.” Even though the Trinity is not a teaching of Jesus, is it consistent with what he taught?

Jesus taught his disciples to pray: “Our Father which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.” Our heavenly Father, whose name is Jehovah, is described in the Bible as being superior to his Son. For example, Jehovah is “from everlasting to everlasting.” But the Bible says that Jesus is “the firstborn of every creature.” That Jehovah is greater than Jesus, Jesus himself taught when he said: “My Father is greater than I.” (Matthew 6:9; Psalm 90:1, 2; Colossians 1:15; John 14:28, King James Version) Yet, the Trinity doctrine holds that the Father and the Son are “equally God.”

The Trinity is not a teaching of Jesus or of the early Christians. As noted previously, it is “a teaching of the church.” In its 1999 issue on the Trinity, The Living Pulpit observed: “Sometimes, it seems that everyone assumes that the doctrine of the trinity is standard Christian theological fare,” but it added that it is not “a biblical idea.”

The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967) discusses the Trinity at length and admits: “The Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th-century invention. . . . The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.”

The Bible tells of many gods and goddesses that people worshiped, including Ashtoreth, Milcom, Chemosh, and Molech. (1 Kings 11:1, 2, 5, 7) Even many people in the ancient nation of Israel once believed that Baal was the true God. So Jehovah’s prophet Elijah presented the challenge: “If Jehovah is the true God, go following him; but if Baal is, go following him.”—1 Kings 18:21.

The worship of pagan gods grouped in threes, or triads, was also common before Jesus was born. “From Egypt came the ideas of a divine trinity,” observed historian Will Durant. In the Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, James Hastings wrote: “In Indian religion, e.g., we meet with the trinitarian group of Brahmā, Siva, and Viṣṇu; and in Egyptian religion with the trinitarian group of Osiris, Isis, and Horus.”

What happened to the universe whilst he was busy with carpentary? Did the universe fall to bits whislt he was busy with something?

How can a god be sinful?

Islam is the only path of the Prophets left because it is free from the belief that is free from pagan belief.